Category Archives: Religious Freedom

Can You Pray When the Cops Come?


I know a lot of people who have prayed when they were pulled over.

First Liberty has an interesting case of a woman who was confronted by police for a noise complaint.

Two police officers came to the home of Ms. Sause late at night on November 22, 2013 and demanded to be let in to her apartment, without giving a specific reason for why they were there. Only at the end of the encounter—an hour later—did they tell her that they were there for a minor noise complaint because her radio was too loud.

At some point the police were in her apartment and she began to pray. An officer told her to stop. She sued. This is from the appeal by the officers, so it was written by their lawyers.

RIGHT TO PRAY

So, I have a right to remain silent, but not to pray. And actual exercise of religion isn’t protected by the First Amendment, or elsewhere in the Constitution.? Do they really want to hang their hats on that loose nail?

Reading between the lines, the woman involved seemed to tick off the police early on. She didn’t let them in when they first arrived because she said she couldn’t tell they were police.  Waved a Constitution at them. (Legal, but you have to think the police were on edge at that point.)

Policing is a tough job, and tougher when you’re stupid…to misquote John Wayne.

Yes, when the police are there you shouldn’t ignore them to take a call from Aunt Edna, or to do the wash. But can you pray to God?

“Excuse me, officer, I’m asking for guidance from the one who created the universe….”

Miranda Warning:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.

But don’t kneel and talk to God.

But Twitter Can Ban Milo and Others


The Oregon Court of Appeals will hear oral arguments today in the case of “Sweet Cakes by Melissa.

First Liberty:

In 2013, Melissa and Aaron politely declined to create a custom-designed cake to celebrate a same-sex wedding ceremony, citing their sincerely held Christian beliefs. As a result:

  • The Oregon government punished them with a $135,000 penalty.
  • The Oregon government issued a gag order against them.
  • Melissa lost a business she dreamed of passing down to her kids.
  • Their personal bank accounts were wiped out.
  • Their property was vandalized.
  • They’ve received death threats. 

As a kid, I was shocked to see a film which exposed anti-Antisemitism in public accommodations, showing a man trying to get a hotel room under a Jewish-sounding name, and being refused. We all know buses, trains, hotels and restaurants cannot discriminate. I don’t suggest we return to that.

On the other hand, if an artist like a cake maker can be forced to paint, decorate or otherwise use their talents, then lets be fair. Make all businesses dance to my tune.

“Paint me a picture of Donald Trump! Nude! In a warm embrace with Satan and that guy from the Middle East…can’t remember. The one with the young bride.”

Should I be able to demand that the Amish gazebo-maker use a power drill and wood screws, though that’s against his faith? It’s my gazebo!

“I want a birthday cake celebrating the birth of the baby Jesus. In bacon. And, Mohammed…can we get this done by Shabbat?”

“Mr. Bernstein, I demand you spell out all the words ‘God Bless America’ on my cake. You keep leaving off the second letter in God. Man, where did you learn to spell?” 

And how come this crap only happens to Christians? 

 

That’s a Feature, Not a Bug


EWN South Africa:

JOHANNESBURG – A group of Christian leaders from KwaZulu-Natal say that they’re opposing the proposed Hate Speech Bill, because it will stop them from preaching that homosexuality is wrong.

The reason there is a furor over hate speech and fake news, is because somebody wants to shut others up.  I’m against hate, and against hateful words.

I am also convinced that some folks have noticed that they’re beginning to lose an argument, and they want to turn off the free speech rights of their neighbors.

That’s wrong in South Africa, and it’s wrong in America.




By the way, I’m not necessarily in support of what these preachers are saying. I just know they should have the right to say it. That goes for people who want to speak out in favor of homosexuality as well. 

I Think Bart Once Called Moe’s and Asked for This Guy


CPHPost:

European experts criticise Denmark for taking interventions against religious extremism one step too far, reports Kristeligt Dagblad.

Danish Parliament on Monday adopted the last part of the anti-extremism package, the so-called ‘forkynderlov’, which includes a public sanction list of religious preachers.

According to Ingvill Thorson Plesner, a human rights researcher at University of Olso, and Peter Edge, a professor of law at Oxford Brookes University, the new law is in conflict with religious freedom.

I can’t actually tell if the law is in conflict with established views of ‘religious freedom,’ but this something to watch out for.  On the other hand, I had to blog about this because the law is actually called ‘forkynderlov.’

 

First Clerks, then Bakers, Now Film Makers


Preachers are next.

Star Tribune:

A husband-and-wife duo who started their own filmmaking company in St. Cloud, Minnesota, have filed a lawsuit against Minnesota’s attorney general and commissioner of human rights stating that their constitutional rights are being violated. The human rights commission enforces a state act that demands all businesses who do weddings to provide services for same-sex “weddings.”

To be fair, they actually have not been forced to film a gay wedding but the law says they must.  

The Larsens say they don’t mind working with anyone regardless of their Ballroombackground or lifestyle, but when it comes to the content they produce, it’s their right not to create something that promotes a message they don’t agree with, including content that’s racist, speaks positively about abortion, or is misogynistic.

There are actually religious people who extend their faith so far into their actual lives that you can tell they are religious.  Whole groups of Amish, Muslims, Orthodox Jews…and others.  Their religious objections are respected to a point.

Where do we draw the line?  I know not to ask the Muslim lady in my office to get the plate of ham and sausage out of the company fridge for the party.  I don’t expect Amish folks to hop in the truck with me to get a load of lumber.  I wouldn’t expect the Muslim lady in accounting to take off the head scarf for the office Christmas card. 

We’re not talking about denying service, in part because other videographers will step up.  These are not public accommodations like restaurants and hotels.

I do think preachers are on the list, if not next.  It will become ‘hate speech’ to preach against same-sex weddings, and the state will insist upon full compliance with the mandate for same sex weddings.  

Sounds crazy? You been paying attention?  Bruce Jenner is a girl, Trump is president elect, and Bill Cosby is…well, he’s not America’s Dad anymore. 2017 will be a lot crazier than this year.  Count on it.

Discrimination is Bad


 

From the Gotta Be More to This Dept:

From One News Now, a conservative news outlet:

A discrimination case currently before a Chicago federal appeals court is being watched closely. 

Attorneys for lesbian teacher Kimberly Hively allege she was denied a full-time position and later fired at Ivy Tech Community College, located in Indiana, due to her sexuality, a claim the school denies.  

But it’s her attorneys’ claim of a Civil Rights Act violation that is raising eyebrows, since the landmark 1964 law includes sex but not sexual orientation.

“I didn’t get tenure because I’m gay…” seems unlikely at a university, but this is a community college.  At some point the college probably needed to have some other reason, although tenure is not a given in all circumstances.

This is one of the parts of North Carolina HB2 — aka the bathroom bill.  LGBTQ and LMNOP activists are hoping to make sexual orientation a protected class.  I made up that last group.  My preacher is pretty sure somebody made up the LGBTQ group, too.

In other news, guess what case just won’t go away? 

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WND:

A same-sex couple is seeking to reinstate its case against the Kentucky clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The case against Kim Davis, Ermold vs. Davis, was one of three dismissed earlier this year, including one that put Davis in jail for six days. Together, the dismissals were hailed as “a decisive victory in her fight for religious freedom” by her defender, the non-profit Liberty Counsel.

The legal group said Friday the plaintiffs in Ermold were seeking to force a “winner take all” decision between same-sex “marriage” and religious liberty.

The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments Monday about political and racial gerrymandering in North Carolina.

WRAL:

But lawyers for the state have argued that the legislature has been forced to grope for a nearly impossible-to-find Goldilocks zone between taking race into account and not overstepping an ill-defined line.1

“Racial gerrymandering doctrine is substantially complicated by the reality that the Voting Rights Act has been interpreted to sometimes require states to prioritize race when drawing its districts,” lawyers representing North Carolina wrote in a brief for the court.Changing districts

So it is okay to take race into consideration, just nobody says how much.  This was not a factor in the 100 or so years the Democrats were in charge of the process.  Look for calls to make the process ‘fairer’ by appointing independent boards.  

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Hey! Does anybody know a conservative lawyer or law student who wants to write for the Craft blog.  He/she will get the same pay as Gus and David, which is equal to the pay of the detail-oriented  “Editor in Chef” Dave Alexander.

 

 

Christian Couple are Christian!


And some folks lose their minds.

Every now and then they pick a new Pope, and the media reacts oddly surprised when the new Pontiff says things which are Catholic.  The new Pope seems to have broken that mold, by doing and saying things which are not actually so Catholic at all.  But this post isn’t about them, but the stars of a reality show.

The Mainstream Media and militant LGBT activists are unleashing their fury over reports the Gaines family attends Antioch Community Church, a non-denominational megachurch.

“Chip and Joanna Gaines’s Pastor Preaches ‘Homosexuality is a Sin'” – blared a headline on Cosmopolitan.

“Chip and Joanna Gaines’ Church is Firmly Against Same-Sex Marriage,” screamed a Buzzfeed headline. “Their pastor considers homosexuality to be a ‘sin’ caused by abuse – whether the Fixer Upper couple agrees is unclear.”

What the shiplap, America?!     <–That’s a running joke about the show. — Dave

“Their pastor, Jimmy Seibert, is both staunchly against same-sex marriage and a strong believer that homosexuality is a ‘lifestyle’ choice and a ‘sin’,” Cosmo reported.

This bit of news was more than their feeble journalistic minds could handle.

“Given the diversity of Fixer Upper‘s audience, this is a startling revelation that has left many wondering where Chip and Jo stand,” Cosmo reported.

Click on the picture for an essay in the Washington Post which takes a different direction.

I know that the writers for major media outlets figure Christians are something to be studied by anthropologists. They hope someday they (or we) will be studied by archaeologists.  

Still, you’d think that in a world busting at the seams with conflict, the idea that these nice looking folks respect the words of their holy book and pastor would be boring.

Unless the publicity is an attempt to pull them down, like the treatment dished out to the Duggar family, or the Palins, or the Robertson family.  You wouldn’t think that’s the plan, wouldya?